HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. Even if it amazingly stayed put, as soon as I slammed the rifle onto the parade ground off it popped again. I knew that once the weather was respectable, when it was no longer dangerous, my skinny little skeleton would be transported, step by trembling step, up that perilous rigging. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and signed on for 12 years. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. 2023 BBC. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. His early life was hard by any standards. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. It began snowing on Boxing Day. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. Life at Ganges was recalled recently in The Evening Star when a book about the base by Alan Peck was published. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. But, because of the lockdown nothing has really moved and I think, even though construction workers havent leagally been told theyre not allowed to do anything, the owners are a bit reluctant to move. The noise was excruciating. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. 'Letters back to front, remember!' Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. First time ever looking at any RN sights. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. Were you a 'button boy'? The Cattlemarket area of Ipswich would be busy at weekends with boys in full naval uniform. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. #42. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Report . This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). Please Login or Register. Mr Jones also offered reassurance around the historic mast, despite fears about its dilapidated state. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. Editors' Code of Practice. Jon Sparks. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. Read about our approach to external linking. We were ordered to turn around and bend over, if the instructor was satisfied we were clean, we were allowed out. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. Jim Gitsham, chairman of the Shotley branch of the HMS Ganges Association, said: "Members will be delighted that he's going down. Observer career path/ real life experience. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. The HMS Ganges Museum previously said restorers would remove the wooden part of the mast for refurbishment off site and they would then check the condition of the steel lower mast. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. . Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. After such a long time I think it will be a welcome relief for a lot of people. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. Mr W Im sure the surprise and very welcome CD that popped through my letter box today was from you dear sir, so thanks very much and Im looking forward to listening to it very soon. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. 1971. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. Commander was Trick and a good egg. Initially, training continued to be carried out on the vessel, but after the completion of a shore-based facility at Shotley, the ship was sent to be broken up. John Garrett. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. (LogOut/ Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. So as I have said already, we kept our heads down aiming for that final day when wed be drafted to a ship. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. This was followed by a leap from the diving board, as high as any tree I'd ever climbed, wearing the waterlogged boiler suit and a lifejacket. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. Observer career path/ real life experience. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. A Gannett Company. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. 1927. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. 1907. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. . He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. contact the editor here. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. Indeed, I have never met a shipmate would ever claim otherwise. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. I was sent to the training Ship HMS Ganges a cruel harsh 12 months lay ahead of me and thousands of other boys. HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. I had already taught myself to swim. It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. I came across a clip on youtube that really saddened me and it tells its own story about the UK as it is now and the real fact that such things as pride, standards etc have long been lost and decay and neglect are the order of the day, I do not need to walk very far from my home to see with my own eyes the evidence all around me. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. Peter Cook. I just got on with it. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. 1906. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. Ganges will for ever be the legacy of every young boy who passed through those distant gates to emerge as a sailor and a man. The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. contact the editor here. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. HMS Ganges. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Change). The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained derelict. After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 1st Class HMS Ganges II. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. the top rung of a six foot ladder is about my limit! He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. 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The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Discipline was severe, routine constant and fear of punishment loomed at every turn. This site uses cookies. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. H.M.S. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. Now i know why! The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. 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